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Question God by LimeGreenSquid Question God by LimeGreenSquid
"The more i study religions, the more i am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself." - Sir Richard Burton (1812-1890)

I finally got myself a scanner, so you can now enjoy this completely basic stick-drawing without the ugly paper-shade and graininess!

Anyway, this one should be pretty straightforward.

When people are offended that you are questioning god, they are really just upset that you are questioning them and everyone who taught them this stuff growing up.

Anger is always their first reaction because, besides being lead to believe that dismantling their religion is "hurting" them, they know they have no convincing answers to any of your questions. So, they would rather claim authority (without earning it) in an attempt to put a stop to all questioning, encouraging everyone to ignore and demonize doubters, while minimizing the suffering caused at their religion's encouragement.

When humans (and human-written books) are the only conveyors of the thoughts of all gods, and these people refuse to show you any of these gods, and no one agrees on which gods are real or not, or even on certain aspects of the same god (33,000+), the only useful conclusion is that belief in the existence of gods is most likely a false assumption, and an utter waste of time, energy and money.

And when these gods support slavery, genocide, and discrimination, it's important to point out to people, "This is not a roll model, and we must question anyone who would intentionally choose to ally themselves with a being who has ever given these laws, because inevitably, they are allying themselves with people who do follow these laws, and making those people stronger and more influential..."

Suspect anyone who tries to limit your curiosity!!!
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2014
Assuming that God exists, would it be that much of a stretch of the imagination to say that the various denominations (which is a common feature of religions, like Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and more) are the result of Lucifer deceiving people and trying to bring more hate into the world?
LimeGreenSquid Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It would fit god's character more, according to the bible.
GoldenesFlies Featured By Owner May 23, 2014
Please note that he following text is copied from my previous discussions.

Without a god, life does not make sense. Even Gandhi said: "Without God I would be dead." And he was right. If you really were an atheist, you would accept that your life has neither worth nor sense. You would have killed yourself long ago.
Everything around us is somehow measurable, alterable and limitable. We can say where H2O exists and where it does not. Every little thought can be measured, even love is just an amount of waves on a paper. You could actually say that we humans are nothing more but advanced robots/computers/viruses. With enough technology, we definitely could create robots that can think just as three-dimensional as we do. With enough knowledge it would be easy to make you think everything. Even if these thoughts are not necessarily yours you would think they are. We are nothing but a bunch of electrons, neutrons and ions and so on. In our existence, there is no significance. There is no reason. With the technology, I could exactly say what you are going to do tomorrow, next month, until you die. It is all just information. Everything measurable will wither away, it will all come to an end as if it never even existed. There is not a single thing that has significance since it will not last forever. Looking at the "impossible" black hole, even information, that was actually thought to be infinite, can end and will end. 
It would not make a difference if you were to say that life makes sense for because of the beauty of the stars. How could it since you yourself are meaningless, every neutron of this thought could be altered and everything we have here is nothing against eternity.
Now you will probably argue that this is the reason someone invented God and the reason why many people believe in him. That is wrong. Just look at you and you know the answer. Do you have the sudden urge to go out for a stroll and kill everybody you see? Do you want to slice your throat? No, you do not want to. Because you do not have enough insight to see your very non-sensical life as what it is: totally without worth. You are never going to say to a worm: "I am just as pitiful as you are: Like you, I am worthless."
And because you lack the insight and because everybody lacks this insight, they think they are just fine without a god. You actually are enjoying your freedom, are you not? You do not want to lose your easy life, now do you? With this, you have long lost your impartiality, your un-ignorance you are so proud of.
There are always more heathens than there are believers, I guess I do not have to prove this. So it is the other way round: people deleted God from their brains because it is easy to walk on the broad way without a god.

Every single morning I wake up being glad that God is just like he is: Not measurable. If God really would be measurable, I would not accept him as the being he describes himself: an eternal existence. He would become as insignificant as we are. There is no information about God  because he is eternal and the only significant being and because of that you will never find true peace apart from him.

If he was provable how could you ever show that you deserve his love? You would accept him as natural as gravity, and you'd be a hypocrite just because of all the benefits. I don't know a single statement that could disprove that.

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Truth through Pain and Love

Why does the Bible consist of two such extreme positions, the Old and the New Testament?
Why these two entirely different sides, I often wondered. What could be the gain of this, to make a book just like a medal with two sides?

I don't want to give a bunch of answers. I want one answer. 

"Truth sets you free." - Do you agree with that?

Can pain set us free? - It can, if it shows us the truth.

To explain the answer I need to tell you about an experiment. In this experiment they put adolescent criminals in one cell with mass murderers. The result of this was that 100% of these young criminals didn't get back to their old ways of criminality (at least as far as the police knows).
We could say they have seen the truth through pain, maybe not entirely but a part of it. We are not talking about one superior truth here, we are talking about the truth the police wanted the prisoners to see.

So here we have an example of pain showing us truth (I trust we can agree that being in the same cell with a life-long violent prisoner is pain. Even if we don't, it doesn't affect the answer).

Let us use this example in the larger and biblical picture; the young prisoners are a people and the pain is the law of the Old Testament. I trust there are no complaints about comparing young criminals with barbarians (what they have been four thousand years back).

The laws about slavery were just as needed. They forced an improvement about how to treat slaves and built the base for the second part of the Bible, the NT. Would more improvement have been accepted? Doubtfully, the common morality was not ready for it. This is a logical look at the behavior of this time, not our time. The context must not be ignored.

To show us the entire truth love is needed as counterpart since truth should consist of two extremes that are working against each other and overall together.

Shouldn't it be "Truth through Hate and Love"? - No, because God does not hate us just like a parent does not hate his child.

If we have the OT as pain then obviously the NT is the love. Both are equally needed as guide.

The New Testament is meant to complete what the old one has begun and for us the Old Testament is meant to remind us of the pain.

To make this clear: This pain was as needed as the love and its source and goal is the same.

In my very own eyes this is not apologetic for it does not lessen anything written in the Bible (looking at slavery one might come to think so however with a context such as the one here I cannot see anything more logical. Since I am merely human, I may be wrong), it is an answer.

One might not think so, one might as well leave his left eye closed, one might as well stay Thomas the unbeliever forever, but I would like to ask if s/he is actually planning to ever change her/his view. 
sin-and-love Featured By Owner Edited Sep 23, 2014
You need to provide a direct answer to his argument and an explanation for this problem in order to show him that he is mistaken. Otherwise you're just reinforcing the idea that we're all just  a bunch of angry bigots who refuse to listen to reason.
LimeGreenSquid Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"The laws about slavery were just as needed. They forced an improvement about how to treat slaves and built the base for the second part of the Bible, the NT. Would more improvement have been accepted? Doubtfully, the common morality was not ready for it. This is a logical look at the behavior of this time, not our time. The context must not be ignored."

The context is an infinite god who can do infinite things, but can't figure out how to fix his own creation.  They improved slavery rather than ridding it, even though god has commanded many other things the people followed on threats of death or damnation.  A god of love who ordered brutal torture deaths for simple things like working on the wrong day can't come up with a way to eradicate slavery in the same way?  
Come on!  Every new story reveals more and more the flawed human agenda behind it!

The context will always be people writing a god around a reality that a god cannot actually change.  
The context will always be an infinite god forgetting his infinite powers for the sake of the embarrassingly human plot.

Gods are not apparent in reality, and make the universe make LESS sense.  But you are free to show me one.  But if all you have are words and ancient rumors, and false history, mostly plagiarized by earlier religions, then you have a long way to go.

Life only makes sense without a god because chemical reactions are proven to happen on their own, without design.  Plus for you to assert there is a god, you would have to explain where god came from.
You cannot demand a creator for the universe to solve the problem of complexity by adding an even MORE complex being at the beginning.  A being THAT complex could never have just "happened on its own" either.  You just cause your own infinite loop problem that can't be ignored without being glaringly hypocritical.  

That's the thing, theists refuse to step back from their story and analyze it as the flawed, human-written narrative it truly is.  
sin-and-love Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014
1) When God created humans, he gave us free will, thus sacrificing some of his omnipotence. The reason God doesn't just snap his metaphorical fingers and make everything better is that it can't be done without affecting our free will. People CHOOSE to rape. People CHOOSE to take slaves. People CHOOSE to slaughter innocents. So long as we have free will and are sinners, there are going to be people who make bad choices.

2) "You cannot demand a creator for the universe to solve the problem of complexity by adding an even MORE complex being at the beginning. A being THAT complex could never have just 'happened on its own' either."  God is eternal. Eternity exists outside of time. If you imagine someone drawing a timeline of the universe onto a sheet of paper, eternity is the paper on which it is drawn. God sees everything from the big bang to this conversation to the second coming all in his eternal now. Since God exists outside of time, he COULDN"T have an origin. "If we fully understand WHAT God is [(which is impossible for we finite beings)] we should see that there is no question WHETHER he is. It would always have been impossible that He should not exist. He is the opaque [center] of all existences, the that simply and entirely IS, the fountain of facthood. And yet, now that he has created, there is a sense in which we must say that he is a particular thing and even one thing among others. To say this is not to lessen the immeasurable difference between him and them. On the contrary, it is to recognize in him a positive perfection which Pantheism [(the idea that God inhabits the universe the way you do your body, that everything you might find in the universe is a part of God, and that each mortal mind is a tiny piece of God's mind)] has obscured; the perfection of being creative. He is so brim-full of existence that he can give existence away, can cause things to be, and to be truly other than himself, can make it untrue to say that he is everything." -- Miracles, ch. 11

And wouldn't all this HAVE to be true for a being that made up math, freaking MATH, right out of his metaphorical head?

Just read a C.S. Lewis book, man. Try "Mere Christianity." It's relatively short, I guarantee that at last a few of your arguments will be answered, and if you still think his arguments fall short you can point out why.  I promise I'll listen.
GoldenesFlies Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
Thank you. I totally forgot this account. I'm soon back with a vengeance ;)
sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
May the force--er--holy spirit be with you.
GoldenesFlies Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2014
Aww, so looking forward to the new trilogy. Bless you.
Vovina-de-Micaloz Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I lol'd... it's so true.
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